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Post by banned on Nov 23, 2011 15:37:40 GMT -5
That's true but most of fulfills a need you don't always need the best quality. I've got a 1" socket set made by the china man. Cost $175 quality American made around $2500. If the good one was all that was available I wouldn't have it I don't use it enough. I don't want a quality American made bicycle cause my kids out grow them I want the cheap china man version. Some of china mans stuff is as good as American like TV sets. I LOVE THE CHINA MAN!!!!
Brian
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Post by Avenger on Nov 29, 2011 17:21:47 GMT -5
This is exactly how America keeps stepping on it's d!¢k. Americans only look at things from a "what's in it for me right here, right now?" perspective. Tomorrow or the long term costs be damned. I want everything right now.
This is how the US auto industry failed because they had bean-counters running the show on a 'make the numbers look good this quarter' basis. Screw product development and quality. I LOVE the CFO guy.
Let's buy a million dollar house on a $20,000 income! This is why the mortgage industry went south, let's get the commissions for selling houses to people that can't pay for them, who cares if it's all going in the crapper in five years and my house is going to be worthless, I made a ton of money last week. I LOVE the Credit Default Swap guy!
Check it out! A Home Depot just opened up and they're selling 2x4s for a nickel less than the local lumber yard. I'll take all I can get. Who cares that in a couple of years all the competition will be gone and I'll be bitching that Home Dumpo's product is $#it? I saved a nickel! I LOVE the souless corporate megastore!
Let's get somebody to mow the lawn for cheap! Bring in a bunch of illegals and have them pay no taxes but load up the healthcare and school systems. This way American kids can't learn what it takes to make a buck by mowing the neighbor's lawn. Instead they can keep sitting on their lazy @$$es through college and then Occupy Wall Street because they can't get a job with a degree in Anthropology and no work ethic. Who gives a crap about the societal costs as long as my yard looks good for cheap. I LOVE the illegal Mexican gang member casing my neighborhood while he mows the grass.
Hey, as long as we're on a roll.... lets import cheap labor to pick the cotton. Who gives a f#¢k where that's going to end up as long as I get cheap cotton products. I LOVE the caucasianally challenged individual slave man!
BTW, I came up with an S-K 1" set for $661 and I'm sure there are others that are comparable. Shopping US made doesn't mean you have to buy Strap... uhhh... I mean Snap-On.
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Post by Avenger on Nov 29, 2011 17:29:11 GMT -5
Oops, I almost forgot the other side.
Let's put the thumb on US ports and shippers by paying longshoremen six figures plus all the stuff they can steal. Who cares if they'll start putting everything in sealed metal boxes that nobody has to touch because it's too expensive to pay us?
Hey, we can leverage those short-sighted bean-counters at GM into signing a contract that guarantees lifetime employment. Who gives a crap if this makes it too expensive to build cars in Detroit or replaces us with robots? My kids can grow up in an urban wasteland with no hope of a job as long as I got mine right now!
I'm sure I can think of more, but I just wanted to make sure that I was an equal opportunity offender.
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Post by badhattitude on Nov 29, 2011 20:23:57 GMT -5
Scroddy's right. Psychotic but right. There is no way to teach the masses that the dollar they save could cost their kids a job because it's all instant gratification.
Steve Jobs had a good handle on the way our kids and many of us think. If you can download a $1 version of a song and have it right away you feel like you got something.
If you had to go to a store, Find the CD ( or album if you remember) and buy the whole thing for $10 you probably would lose interest and forget about it more often than not. Who cares if the quality sucks or that you didn't get the rest of them the $1 MP3 was good enough and you had it instantly.
Never underestimate the ability of the American consumer to justify cheap if that is their goal. And since stores like walfart show you that by buying cheap goods you can live like rich people 100 times a day on TV our kids have little chance of getting away from that mindset. In this model Hatteras can not exist but then again we already have our boats so it's no problem if they fail now.
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Nov 29, 2011 20:58:37 GMT -5
Kiwi's tip for the day
Tuna fish is cheap and high in protein, 6oz cans dipped in paraffin wax and then sealed in schedule 80 PVC pipe will keep, buried underground indefinitely.
However one must remember the frost line in Your area. If anarchy occurred during the winter months and Your tuna stash was buried under frozen ground, a fire may be set above ground to thaw the frost.
Stay tuned for Next Weeks installment; The new coin of the Realm, 22Cal. LR Ammo and How to trade it for medicine or tools.
Kiwi
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Post by Avenger on Nov 30, 2011 8:35:27 GMT -5
But.... what if you don't like tuna fish?
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Post by Avenger on Nov 30, 2011 8:48:16 GMT -5
Scroddy's right. Psychotic but right. What? You mean it's not normal to twitch after you finish typing a post? Steve Jobs had a good handle on the way our kids and many of us think. If you can download a $1 version of a song and have it right away you feel like you got something. If you had to go to a store, Find the CD ( or album if you remember) and buy the whole thing for $10 you probably would lose interest and forget about it more often than not. Who cares if the quality sucks or that you didn't get the rest of them the $1 MP3 was good enough and you had it instantly. He took it even further. You download an i-tune and you don't even see the $1 invoice until much later. In the consumer's head it's like getting it for free when they first download the song. Never underestimate the ability of the American consumer to justify cheap if that is their goal. And since stores like walfart show you that by buying cheap goods you can live like rich people 100 times a day on TV our kids have little chance of getting away from that mindset. In this model Hatteras can not exist but then again we already have our boats so it's no problem if they fail now. Walfart is single-handedly destroying manufacturing in America. I always get a kick out of how they market the "American dream" while destroying Americans' ability to achieve that dream.
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Post by krush on Nov 30, 2011 8:56:38 GMT -5
disagree....iTunes allowed people to pay or the exact song they wanted instead of paying $15 for 1 song and getting 14other crap songs. Wish I could do the same with TV channels. And ya'll make it sound like walmart is only place that sells chinese stuff.
Sounds like a bunch of Luddites bitching about the automatic fabric weavers. You know manufacturing "destroyed" agriculture in America....before the industrial revolution the majority of people somehow worked in ag. Damn that progress.
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Post by Avenger on Nov 30, 2011 9:33:16 GMT -5
Actually, the recording industry hosed itself by not adopting the i-tunes model when they saw people downloading music. What was right in front of their face as an evolving marketplace put them into a short-sighted defensive mode and had them prosecuting kids for tens of thousands of dollars for downloading one crappy song. What a way to endear yourself to your customer.
Same flaw, not looking at the future, only what they perceived it was costing them in the next five minutes. So instead of capitalizing on it they opened the door for a middleman to get a cut of their profits.
The saddest part is that the model was there all along. It used to be possible to buy a single song on a 45RPM record for a buck or two instead of buying the whole album. Later there were CD singles. They had it all right in front of them dating back 50 years. All they had do do was adopt an electronic distribution system which eliminated all the physical distribution costs. Higher profits for less effort, but they couldn't see anything past or future, just the "Right Now."
Another example: IBM used to flat-out dominate the PC market. Yet they kept clinging to the "We're a mainframe company. PC's are just a sideline" mentality. People in the business couldn't see that what once took up a whole room was now sitting on a desk. IBM sold off it's PC business to Lenovo (A Chinese company, BTW) a couple of years ago. They're completely out of the business where they once owned the market because they couldn't look past one quarter in either direction and see what was going on in their own industry.
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Post by banned on Nov 30, 2011 12:03:02 GMT -5
This is exactly how America keeps stepping on it's d!¢k. Americans only look at things from a "what's in it for me right here, right now?" perspective. Tomorrow or the long term costs be damned. I want everything right now. This is how the US auto industry failed because they had bean-counters running the show on a 'make the numbers look good this quarter' basis. Screw product development and quality. I LOVE the CFO guy. Let's buy a million dollar house on a $20,000 income! This is why the mortgage industry went south, let's get the commissions for selling houses to people that can't pay for them, who cares if it's all going in the crapper in five years and my house is going to be worthless, I made a ton of money last week. I LOVE the Credit Default Swap guy! Check it out! A Home Depot just opened up and they're selling 2x4s for a nickel less than the local lumber yard. I'll take all I can get. Who cares that in a couple of years all the competition will be gone and I'll be bitching that Home Dumpo's product is $#it? I saved a nickel! I LOVE the souless corporate megastore! Let's get somebody to mow the lawn for cheap! Bring in a bunch of illegals and have them pay no taxes but load up the healthcare and school systems. This way American kids can't learn what it takes to make a buck by mowing the neighbor's lawn. Instead they can keep sitting on their lazy @$$es through college and then Occupy Wall Street because they can't get a job with a degree in Anthropology and no work ethic. Who gives a crap about the societal costs as long as my yard looks good for cheap. I LOVE the illegal Mexican gang member casing my neighborhood while he mows the grass. Hey, as long as we're on a roll.... lets import cheap labor to pick the cotton. Who gives a f#¢k where that's going to end up as long as I get cheap cotton products. I LOVE the caucasianally challenged individual slave man! BTW, I came up with an S-K 1" set for $661 and I'm sure there are others that are comparable. Shopping US made doesn't mean you have to buy Strap... uhhh... I mean Snap-On. What a great rant to bad it's all rhetoric and no substance or fact. The US auto industry is in trouble because instead of operating efficiently they folded to union demands confident the foreign manufactures could never match the quality. Luckily for us they were wrong had they been right we would all be driving the American made junk of the 70s So home Depot knocked out all the local competition and now sells junk for top dollar? What Depot are you talking about if that were true the local competition would be coming back or other large competitors would be rising. Places like Home Depot keep prices down and selection up and make it possible for lots of home owners to do things themselves. If your kid is sitting on his or her ass and part of the occupy Wall street crowd you can go ahead and blame that on illegal's if you like but if you really want to know who's at fault look in the mirror. It's your job to teach them how to prosper not societies. Go talk to the farmers and see how much success they've had getting American workers to pick. BTW the overwhelming majority of illegal don't work off the books. Stop and think about that for a moment. If you hire someone off the books you have to pay cash and you can't write off the expense plus your taking a big chance it simply doesn't make sense. Illegal's work on the books with manufactured SS#s. Which means they pay into SS and medicare along with the withholding. They don't get the benefits or return at the end of the year so in reality they pay a much higher rate than legal workers. You would think the IRS would kick back the fake SS# but they never do because it's a huge money maker for the Gov. That's the dirty little secret that the politicians never talk about. I'm betting your SK set doesn't go near as big as my China Man set.
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