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Post by Kiwipushrod on Nov 20, 2011 20:33:09 GMT -5
So, finally someone has some BALLS!!!! Trump says, a 25% tariff is needed on all chinas goods imported into this country and if We don't do something, "There will be Nothing left" of this country's economy. He also said "it's the only way for American jobs to return to this country" We are bleeding and congress is in a power struggle, while the states fight over labor unions. We kiss chinas ass, while GM sells more cars in china then in the U.S., but when the little bitch's almost go under, who bails them out? It sure as hell wasn't GM's biggest market. We are stone CHUMPS to bought and paid for politicians. Trade War? They'll close their markets to US companys it We get uppity?? Fuck Them! Then We close down the port of Los Angeles, to the NEVER ending line of container ships from guess where? Meanwhile back at the walmart, the conspicuous consumer shoppers cannot fit all their new bought china goods, into their kias, bmw and tee-otas (lexus included). All the grade school kids need smart phones to keep up with the Hernandez's. Well, they better get the smart phone with the free edition of Rosetta stone's "how to speak chinese" I'm tellin Ya, left unchecked this trade deficit with china, will be the un-doing of all of US, once the money leaves, where do it go?? money.cnn.com/2011/04/17/news/economy/trump_china_trade_war/index.htmI really don't think Trump is electable, but I also thought that about hateful muslim traitor. Why is He the only one talking about this?
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Post by krush on Nov 20, 2011 21:38:54 GMT -5
how about more unions
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Nov 20, 2011 22:16:43 GMT -5
Wait!! Your fawking RIGHT!!!! If their are No Jobs, there wont be any Unions! You WIN!! Kiwi
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Post by banned on Nov 21, 2011 10:24:12 GMT -5
Trump been saying that for 5 years.
So we put tariffs on China imports which makes the stuff much more expensive. So now American Companies can compete and we create lots of jobs. And who pays for this the American consumer. So really it's kinda like spreading the wealth around. Wouldn't be easier to just tax everyone more and use the added revenue to create jobs for those that can't find them?? Either way it's the same thing the productive people support the UN productive.
Since Trump isn't running you should just vote for hateful muslim traitor. He'll give you the same thing he just does it a different way.
Brian
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Post by Avenger on Nov 21, 2011 11:10:23 GMT -5
Straight protection tariffs don't work. A tariff that's based on something like environmental compliance like we saddle our companies with could be a good leveler. I don't mind competing with China on a level playing field, but that's not what we're doing.
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Post by badhattitude on Nov 21, 2011 12:11:26 GMT -5
If we don't do something to keep manufacturing jobs here soon we will be dependent on others for the basic items that we need and therefore be weakened as a country.
tariffs based on environmental issues is a good way of describing what happened to us here. labor is cheaper but they have to ship it here so if the whole picture is looked at we need to have a few things happen together.
1) Duties on imported products based on their labor and environmental costs. If they have a huge advantage over us we need to level that field.
2) tax incentives for companies that produce here.
3) tax penalties for companies that move production out of the country.
4) Dissolve the EPA and use common sense to create a new smaller overseeing authority.
5) Cut the entitlements and insurance for the non workers. Give them no more than the basics and allow them to earn better medical care with a JOB.
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Nov 21, 2011 12:13:02 GMT -5
Trump been saying that for 5 years. So we put tariffs on China imports which makes the stuff much more expensive. So now American Companies can compete and we create lots of jobs. And who pays for this the American consumer. So really it's kinda like spreading the wealth around. Wouldn't be easier to just tax everyone more and use the added revenue to create jobs for those that can't find them?? Either way it's the same thing the productive people support the UN productive. Since Trump isn't running you should just vote for hateful muslim traitor. He'll give you the same thing he just does it a different way. Brian I have a good friend with a machine shop that has been making gaskets for 20+ years. 10 years ago He was making gaskets for GM, Chrysler and Caterpillar. He employed about 15 people in a NON-UNION shop. He matched health care payments and paid a decent wage to His guys. These were jobs that could afford a fella to live in a his own home. Everyone was happy. Corporations, being about bottom line saw the opportunity to cut costs and have the gaskets made over in china, whee they can pay their former rice farmer now gasket makers, a few dollars a day to make the same gasket. So year by year My Friend lost more and more gasket orders to china, until last year. Today the only gasket He makes is a 56" gasket for Caterpillar. He said it's a very hard gasket to make and most likely the chinese are not ready to make that gasket......Yet. He got behind on His SBA loan, which made an ugly interest rate kick in. Now, the end for the Gasket maker and His one employee is near with now way out but bankruptcy. His former employees have no other jobs to go to except home depot or walmart selling china stuff because china makes cheap gaskets. I'm sure the they also contributed to the foreclosure rate in this county. Yes, I understand that business is a risk and competition is built into the game, I play it every day. If You don't see the problem, then just continue to blame Unionhateful muslim traitorbush. Do You really think for one second that the powers that be, are not able to sell the entire country out from under Us? The American consumer is Going to pay one way or another and there is No Way out of this. I'd rather pick My poison then have it forced down My throat. Kiwi
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Post by badhattitude on Nov 21, 2011 12:48:13 GMT -5
I would rather pay more for an item that my neighbor makes than to pay more in taxes for my neighbors unemployment.
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Nov 21, 2011 13:47:32 GMT -5
I would rather pay more for an item that my neighbor makes than to pay more in taxes for my neighbors unemployment. What a novel concept. We finally agree on something. A few days ago I was making My 6 mon old daughter, Lily a bottle. We use the plastic liner type bottles and the usauall Playtex (Made in USA) liner box was empty. I looked in the cabinet (one of the few that I can find anything in) and found a new different box of liners in a strange looking box. I read the box and You guessed it, "Made in china", I asked Stacy about it and She said "they were cheaper". I took them back to walmart and the cashier asked if there was anything wrong with the liners, I said "A few years ago some chinese babies died from some bad chinese formula" and I did'nt think I wanted that kinda stuff in the house for My baby. Plus I'm pretty sure that My 3 yr old Golden Lab died 2 years ago from chinese dog food and kidney failure that I bought here. True story. The vet said "Most Likley cause" While I was in the area, I thought I'd stop at homedepot and see if they had any drywall on sale. Kiwi
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Post by banned on Nov 21, 2011 14:09:06 GMT -5
If your into protectionism lets go the whole route. I'm sure there are large shops in your area with 30 or more bays employing 50 or more people. Why should he be forced to compete with a much smaller shop with much lower overhead that doesn't have to comply with all the regulations and BS a big place has to. That's not fair you have no right to work leaner and jeopardize all those jobs you should be forced to close. In fact every business in this country should be forced to pay the same reasonable wage the big guys pay with all the benefits and perks that go with it. Otherwise it's not fair right.
What !!! you've got a better idea to make something cheaper and better with less skilled labor. Are you an idiot this is America what the hell were you thinking?? You can't do that it will cost jobs and put a strain on other manufacturers. That's it. We've heard enough put on the hand cuffs and get in the truck with the rest of the innovators your all going to jail. Guys like you will sell this whole country out from under us. Don't you realize the days of an equal playing field are over today we handicap the players so everyone can win.
What!!! Did I just see you looking in the MSC book??? You were looking at the Chinese milling machines weren't you??? I don't care if it's all you need. You go over to Bridgeport and buy the one for 36K not the Chinese one for 6K. I don't care if a cheap copy is all you need. I don't care if you can put another guy to work with it. I don't care if your customers will be better served. Don't you realize it's no longer about you and feeding your family. You selfish prick the new America is about feeding everyone not just you and yours. That's it get in the truck.
Hey Hey you what do you think your doing??? Don't give me this crap about buying your kid his first bicycle. Don't you realize these are made in china. No $60 bike for you go across the street and get the American made bike for $120. I don't care if you can't afford that. I don't care if you didn't know the right people to get in the union. Tell the little brat to walk. What the hell were you thinking what about all those American workers. Enough get in the truck.
Brian
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