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Post by Kiwipushrod on Nov 30, 2011 22:01:14 GMT -5
Hey wally world got their bottle liners back!
I needed to go their anyway to case the joint for a defensive position after the initial kill off of looters. I think I could hold it with 10 well trained friends, and lots of ammo. You guys wanna come with??
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Post by banned on Dec 1, 2011 7:42:14 GMT -5
Anything that's manufactured is broken down into material costs overhead costs and labor costs. So if bad management concerned only about profits and they're own enrichment ruins a company aren't unions and employees doing the same thing also ruining the company?
Diesels not catching on in this country has nothing at all to do with GMs dud. Diesels weren't popular for obvious reasons. They're noisey smelly and sluggish. Fuel costs weren't high enough for that to matter much and the longevity part was not important. most people don't drive enough to justify the additional cost. Very few buy a new car because the old car's engine is worn out. They trade in cars because they want a new car it's that simple. Even today with high fuel costs and diesels that aren't sluggish or smelly it's still hard for the average car owner to justify the additional cost. The engine may last but the rest of the car is aged and tired so they would still trade them in for the same reasons no benefit to longevity. That's very different than wanting something really good that will last but being to stupid to look past price. It's a decision based on the persons needs and wants he'd be stepping on his dick if he ignored them.
I bought a Hatt because it's a quality boat and a good value. There wasn't a Taiwan boat that compared in price or quality if there were I would have bought it.
When we bought this house I decided I wanted a good set of patio furniture. I could have gone to HD and got something for $400. Instead I bought well made American stuff for $2400. In 6 years the webbing on the chairs deteriorated and ripped open when you sat on them. Getting the good chairs re webbed was $75 per chair and there are 10. Instead I go the HD buy 10 chairs for $12 each. They aren't as well made but they look and feel the same they've lasted 5 years so far when the webbing goes I'll throw them out and buy new.
So did I step on my dick with the good stuff or the China stuff??
Brian
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Dec 1, 2011 9:37:11 GMT -5
No, You should'a just bought the china stuff in the first place. Then You could'a saved Yourself from this disappointment.
I would like to bring something into this conversation that seems to have been forgotten.
I mean that We all know that china sucks Right? They abort female babies and sell the dead fetus as health food. The reason they do this is because they can only have one child, and they prefer males children to take care of the parents in their old age. This is proven again and again. The birth rate of males to females is actually unnaturally high to the males favor.
When they sell a defective product as in the china drywall fiasco, there doesn't seem to be any recourse back to the manufacturer. This drywall has caused many Americans to lose their homes right down their in Florida because the homeowners insurance companies wont cover the problem and the house is unlivable.
The chinese have Nuclear Missiles pointed at Your city, ready to launch and annihilate Your family and Your home at a moments notice. I don't think they'd even flinch. You think the world is some kinda different place because We all trade stuff? Maybe theyll wait till they bleed America dry then launch the missiles.
I do not love THE CHINA MAN! I will avoid his product whenever I am able.
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Post by badhattitude on Dec 1, 2011 9:46:43 GMT -5
Just remember some people only look at the savings. They have no issue with the morals of supporting an enemy or screwing a friend if it saves them a buck. By the way Boatnut Nice post on the checklist thread on the other side. Some people will do anything to save a buck.
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Post by craig on Dec 1, 2011 9:58:30 GMT -5
Ya know, I should probably keep my mouth shut about it, but being a small business guy and having suffered the same situation, I just felt the urge to bust on him a bit. The problem with people like him is they don't care, often the only recourse is to make others aware of people like them.
As for China, I'll take my chances with the American made stuff. After serving in the far east, I feel no need to support the slanty eyed little creeps.
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Post by badhattitude on Dec 1, 2011 10:03:00 GMT -5
Since all you big men were talking about your wood I figured .....
OK so Homo cheapo sells kiln dried white wood. have you ever seen a "white wood tree"?
Is there such a thing?
No there is not. They purchase what ever is the cheapest wood available to meet a minimum spec ( not always accepted by the building codes as a structural element) to be able to offer a lower cost alternative. It is not as stable as many other woods but in their defense it's cheaper so whats the problem.
I spent many hours picking piles at lumber yards and even brought back some unusable sticks over the years. It's not better to have the lumber for framing and other outdoor uses in air conditioned comfort. In fact the better place to store it is in a covered shed or lean to where it stabilizes it's moisture content slowly and becomes equal to the surrounding environment. If you are doing work indoors its best to get the wood in the area and let it acclimate for a week in the humidity level where it will be used.
Lets be fair here. I do not think I will get Doug Fir at white wood prices and would not use whitewood where Fir is called for. I do not look at the cost without taking the use into account. Brian I think you like to stir the pot a bit. I know that you could buy cheaper ( thinner and lower quality ) materials for your towboats if you tried but you don't. I think you find the balance where it works well for you and the customers. Homo cheapo and walfart take advantage of the un educated consumer looking for the cheap way to live like a rap mogul or whatever. It's not realistic but if you don't know better or believe in fairy tales you will buy things there because they promise you a better life.
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Dec 1, 2011 10:27:08 GMT -5
china is solely responsible for the weaponry and logistics that killed 52 thousand plus American people in the Viet Nam war, I'm sure that most on this board were affected by that in one way or another, all Negatively. What about korea? I suppose the We should forget this all this in the name of free trade, but I'm not. Dead people are Not emotions.
The chinese are the most "patriotic" of all countries and will die in mass to protect it.
They are laughing at Our stupidity right now, as they slowly bleed Us at our own game. What do You really think they think of America today?
Damn it, If they would only go Union, they could'nt sell shit here!
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Dec 1, 2011 10:31:12 GMT -5
Scott, home depot sells lumber at a loss, then sticks it up your ass on the nails and screws. Menards does the same thing.
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Post by Avenger on Dec 1, 2011 10:44:24 GMT -5
Your'e full of crap as far as Easy Govt CHEESE!! There is no such thing. I read Iacoccas book. The cars He wrote about were the full US automaker fuel efficient line up. Chevy Citation, Ford Escort and the wonderful line of Chrysler K kars. The Escort eventually evolved but the rest were TOTAL Losers. I remember the working on the cars and thinking that We were doomed. Kiwi You're talking about the '80s he was talking about the '70s. The point was that people's perception was that US makers didn't offer any small cars which was not true. Just like the bunny huggers piddle themselves over Toyota and their ridiculous hybrids being so environmentally concious and bash American makers for making Suburbans and Hummers. Like Toyota doesn't make gas-sucking Landrovers and those Lexus SUVs. They all make cars the people want to buy or they go belly up. BTW, the Civics and other Japanese cars of the 'early '70s were junk too, the quality didn't come along until later, but they were cheap. But that gets us back to what Brian said about quality. US cars were junk by the mid '70s whereas the Japanese makers were listening to Ed Deming and starting continuous improvement whereas the US makers were listening to the bean counters and looking only at cost, not product. The results are still haunting the US auto industry today, but nobody looked any further than the next quarter's numbers. BTW, who did Deming work for when he started pushing the idea of continuous improvement? It wasn't Toyota.
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Post by Kiwipushrod on Dec 1, 2011 11:13:58 GMT -5
You're talking about the '80s he was talking about the '70s. BTW, who did Deming work for when he started pushing the idea of continuous improvement? It wasn't Toyota. Point taken, but all I come up with is a Chevy Vega and Ford Maverick. The Vega would disprove the point. Remember the Aluminium cylinders with no liners??
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