Post by Avenger on Apr 8, 2010 12:02:18 GMT -5
Since this is the forum for successful fixes I thought I'd post about some of the problems I had with water-cooled manifold elbows.
Here's where the problem started:
While proceeding with the purchase, the boat was being prepped for launching and sea-trial. I got a call from the broker that the stbd engine had hydro-locked. The mechanic advised that it probably had a bad cylinder head, so pricing was re-negotiated and the boat bought "as-is".
A friend and I went out to free up the engine, and get the coolant out of the oil-pan. Long-story short it turned out that the gasket on one of the elbows had leaked coolant into the manifold because whoever serviced the elbow had used an abrasive cleaning disk and dished the surface. We did a quick belt sand and changed the gasket to get the boat home. Now we have a band-aided engine, so it's time to come up with a real and permanent solution.
Here's how I solved the various issues with the exhaust elbows on both engines:
This is an overview of the types of elbows that CAT has used on the marine 3208. Apparently they have always been problematic because they have made a number of changes. The elbow furthest on the right is the one that caused all the problems. It is shown here after being trued and re-surfaced (not with a belt sander) As you can see, coolant doesn't flow through the interface where it meets the manifold. Instead there was a short hose jumper connecting them where the brass elbow is. The middle one is a newer style that eliminates the jumper and lets coolant flow through. However that was apparently not enough so the one on the left is the latest with a groove for a separate steel crush washer to seal the exhaust connection.
So ideally we would just replace all four elbows on both engines with the newest part. Except there's one problem. Caterpillar pricing. I swear CAT has figured out how to turn cast iron into gold just by painting it yellow. These things are over $400.00 each, and I'm as cheap as cat $#it. So I refaced the elbows that had been butched on the stbd. engine. This picture is from the middle of the process where the high spots have been removed as I work towards a completely even surface. You can see by the dull and shiny areas how uneven the surface was. Note the dull area of the center ring. This is probably where the original failure occurred:
Now for the creative part. The elbows on the port engine were a time bomb. Rotten beyond hope, which may have something to do with why the stbd ones had been dorked with. Fortunately, being frugal, I was able to acquire a good used pair from local scrap-yard for 20ยข per pound. (Got several manifolds, turbo crossovers and cylinder heads too. Some brand new. It pays to know where to shop ) The one elbow was the newer style as in the first picture. But the other didn't have the groove for the crush washer. So using a dial indicator I carefully located the center of the exhaust tube and fixtured the elbow on a Bridgeport Mill keeping the face of the flange horizontal:
Then, using a #2 Bridgeport boring head and a hand-profiled cutting bit I cut a groove in the face using the other elbow as a reference to get the correct depth and diameter:
The finished product:
Now I was able to re-assemble the port engine's exhaust system with no worries about hydro-locking from a failed elbow gasket. After pressure testing and filling with coolant all the elbows have performed flawlessly for more than two years now.
I hope everybody here can benefit from this information about how I saved money and solved a problem using ordinary shop tools.
Here's where the problem started:
While proceeding with the purchase, the boat was being prepped for launching and sea-trial. I got a call from the broker that the stbd engine had hydro-locked. The mechanic advised that it probably had a bad cylinder head, so pricing was re-negotiated and the boat bought "as-is".
A friend and I went out to free up the engine, and get the coolant out of the oil-pan. Long-story short it turned out that the gasket on one of the elbows had leaked coolant into the manifold because whoever serviced the elbow had used an abrasive cleaning disk and dished the surface. We did a quick belt sand and changed the gasket to get the boat home. Now we have a band-aided engine, so it's time to come up with a real and permanent solution.
Here's how I solved the various issues with the exhaust elbows on both engines:
This is an overview of the types of elbows that CAT has used on the marine 3208. Apparently they have always been problematic because they have made a number of changes. The elbow furthest on the right is the one that caused all the problems. It is shown here after being trued and re-surfaced (not with a belt sander) As you can see, coolant doesn't flow through the interface where it meets the manifold. Instead there was a short hose jumper connecting them where the brass elbow is. The middle one is a newer style that eliminates the jumper and lets coolant flow through. However that was apparently not enough so the one on the left is the latest with a groove for a separate steel crush washer to seal the exhaust connection.
So ideally we would just replace all four elbows on both engines with the newest part. Except there's one problem. Caterpillar pricing. I swear CAT has figured out how to turn cast iron into gold just by painting it yellow. These things are over $400.00 each, and I'm as cheap as cat $#it. So I refaced the elbows that had been butched on the stbd. engine. This picture is from the middle of the process where the high spots have been removed as I work towards a completely even surface. You can see by the dull and shiny areas how uneven the surface was. Note the dull area of the center ring. This is probably where the original failure occurred:
Now for the creative part. The elbows on the port engine were a time bomb. Rotten beyond hope, which may have something to do with why the stbd ones had been dorked with. Fortunately, being frugal, I was able to acquire a good used pair from local scrap-yard for 20ยข per pound. (Got several manifolds, turbo crossovers and cylinder heads too. Some brand new. It pays to know where to shop ) The one elbow was the newer style as in the first picture. But the other didn't have the groove for the crush washer. So using a dial indicator I carefully located the center of the exhaust tube and fixtured the elbow on a Bridgeport Mill keeping the face of the flange horizontal:
Then, using a #2 Bridgeport boring head and a hand-profiled cutting bit I cut a groove in the face using the other elbow as a reference to get the correct depth and diameter:
The finished product:
Now I was able to re-assemble the port engine's exhaust system with no worries about hydro-locking from a failed elbow gasket. After pressure testing and filling with coolant all the elbows have performed flawlessly for more than two years now.
I hope everybody here can benefit from this information about how I saved money and solved a problem using ordinary shop tools.